Difference between revisions of "Talk:Merit's Encoded Message"

Revision as of 12:42, 30 May 2011 (view source) 屳鍁韯褼襳先苮馦枮忺韱奾廯暹纎嘕鱻仚祅蹮 (Talk | contribs) (→‎Paragraph 4: also cleaned out some (not all) non-past-participle-adjectives. Left some verbs that could be past-participle-adjectivized (e.g., corrupted, taken).) ← Older edit		Revision as of 13:38, 30 May 2011 (view source) 屳鍁韯褼襳先苮馦枮忺韱奾廯暹纎嘕鱻仚祅蹮 (Talk | contribs) (→‎Paragraph 5: More cleaning, reverse if you don't like it, not bothering to clean nouns because English is crazy and everything's a noun) Newer edit →
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−	visit
−	watch
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−	well	+
−	which	+
−	">PRONOUN</b>.	+
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Contents 1 Crazy attempt to record wrong guesses per word 1.1 Paragraph 1 1.2 Paragraph 2 1.3 Paragraph 3 1.4 Paragraph 4 1.5 Paragraph 5 1.6 Comments 2 Spelling 3 Targeted Discussions 3.1 The Cycle WORD Turns 4 Meta-discussion

Crazy attempt to record wrong guesses per word

Testing wiki formatting. Mouse over WORDs to see what we've already tried in that spot.

Paragraph 1

These are the words I found upon the NOUN of the WORD, as I found it, and as I transcribed it, before it was destroyed. May these words not fall into the hands of the enemies of the Dragon.

Paragraph 2

"And in the last days of the great Lo Tan, did he give his WORD and WORD to the brotherhood of Keepers. And as the Cycle WORD turns, with each Great Spirit rising to ascendency and then falling once more only to rise again, so did the WORD predict that the Dragon Emperors would return. And so as the WORD of WORD WORD, the Keepers would protect Their WORD from those who would WORD it and cause the WORD of the Dragon's WORD. And thus did the WORD Keepers receive their charge, and WORD the three Keys to the Vault and WORD them WORD the three Flames of the Dragon. And the Flame of the Yin was in the body of the land, and it was WORD beneath the earth, where it would not be found. And the Flame of the Chi was in the heart of the land, and it was WORD within the tree, where it would not be found. And the Flame of the Yang was in the spirit of the land, and it was WORD within the ELEMENTS, where it would not"

Paragraph 3

These are the words I found upon the scroll, as I found it, and as I transcribed it, before it was stolen. May these words not fall into the hands of the enemies of the Dragon.

Paragraph 4

"The Great Keeper is not able to stop us. The first WORD are dead, though they did manage to WORD the WORD and WORD their Key WORD WORD, never to be recovered. The second WORD have made a WORD with demons and WORD a piece of the WORD away from the WORD, where it can not be WORD. But the third NOUN were PAST-PARTICIPLE-ADJECTIVE and have WORD their charge. We shall WORD into the WORD of the WORD and WORD the WORD this very day, and the Dragon's Hoard will be ours."

Paragraph 5

These are the words I have WORD, and I believe they are true. Thus, I am the last Great Keeper. The rest of the WORD are dead, or lost, or worse, and so it is only I who remain to fulfill our WORD. Though I do not have the Keys, I do have the blessing of Dragon. I shall WORD his NOUN ADVERB to those who would defy his will, and they shall be bound to His WORD, as if they were Keepers themselves. Until freed by WORD of the Dragon, they shall serve, ADVERB PREPOSTION their WORD, as WORD INDETERMINATE-PLURALISH-PRONOUN WORD VERB with them. The Dragon's will shall prevail until He returns.

Comments

Oooh, nice. When initially thinking about the mechanic, we were thinking of doing mouseovers for information on a single word (if there's ever more than one hint worth of information), but it hadn't come up yet. --Boojum 18:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

It's better than the other stuff I tried, at least. Cumbersome to convert my spreadsheet into that format by hand, though, so I'll ponder how to convert it automagically. --Haydn 18:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

This is great. My hat's not pointy enough to do it any way but by hand, but I can start adding my previous guesses in off my spreadheet. Xian 14:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I have a reasonably tall pointy hat in the field of text-frobulation, if someone wants to send me a spreadsheet to try playing with. --Boojum 14:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I forgot that, unfortunately, the way I've been managing my guesses means that previous guesses are not preserved anywhere in the sheet, so by hand is the only way to go back and include mine. Xian 16:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. This may be a job for Perl. After the log gets written, though.  :) --Boojum 16:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm adding in my (and Xiao Fa's) previous guesses by hand. If any of the guessed words seem sufficiently unlikely to ever be tried again, go ahead and remove them. I already can't guess the same word twice in the same place. Xian 17:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

The paragraph breaks help me find my WORDs more quickly. If they are getting in the way of some automated process, feel free to remove them. Haydn 13:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Spelling

Us humans are usually fairly forgiving, but even fairly sophisticated text-frobulation can't cope with misspellings, so we may need to be more careful than when we're simply writing to be understood.

Prophecy is the noun. Prophesy is the verb. Phrophesy isn't anything. Xian 00:39, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

At this point, there are few enough words that I'm looking by eye rather than doing anything automatic. ascendency/ascendancy was okay, and I will try to not hold obvious typos against you, but I don't count plurality differences, conjugation differences, etc. --Boojum 00:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Targeted Discussions

The Cycle WORD Turns

Possibly "the Cycle *wheel* turns"? I miss the words to try. --HeidiB 16:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Meta-discussion

My theory is that this is a wiki with revision control, and we should individually feel free to make executive decisions about how we want it organized. If someone disagrees, they can change it back, and/or start a discussion about it. At the discussion point, we can be all "IMHO" and "Mother May I," but things will tend to go fairly well if we just assume that everyone involved (including ourselves) is clever. For example, if I take out the "Words To Try" and you want them back, just put them back. I'll think, "Huh. Apparently they were more useful than I thought," and happily leave them alone. Haydn 13:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

But I don't (yet) feel confident enough in that theory to remove old talk entries, even though they are clearly obsolete. Any opinions on old talk entries or the proposed theory of wiki-etiquette in general? Haydn 13:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

If this version of MediaWiki supports fairly low-effort collapsible sections of pages or auto-archiving, either of those could be simple solutions. Otherwise I think the easiest answer is "scrollbar is your friend". Xian 14:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Collapsible boxes don't get introduced until 1.17, and this is 1.15. I could try upgrading if people were really enthusiastic about collapsible boxes. I think archiving should just work, though. Let's see. --Boojum 22:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, the archive behaves fine (and knows it's a sub-page); the automatic archive box is having issues, I think because I keep trying to steal it from a more recent version of mediawiki.  :-P