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Inscribing a chop sounds more like transformation of metal to me.  --[[User:HeidiB|HeidiB]] 15:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)
 
Inscribing a chop sounds more like transformation of metal to me.  --[[User:HeidiB|HeidiB]] 15:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)
  
Approved experiments:  
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Other experiment ideas:
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{{boxed|Experiment with various earth-based-pigment inks to see which ones are most amenable to this particular ritual, by seeing which ones survive abuse by the various elements the best.}}
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{{boxed|I don't have yin/yang parts for this, but these suggestions seem closer to the point of the ritual.  Or was the point here to make up yin and yang parts?  --[[User:HeidiB|HeidiB]] 17:26, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
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* Lay the papers one on top of the other.  Ink (writing?) soaks through the top sheet and into the bottom.  Blot the sheets with something.
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* Write on one sheet, then blot it with a second to create an imprint of the original on the second sheet.}}
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==Finished experiments==
  
 
{{boxed|Experiment with various symbolic ways of linking and separating two pieces of paper, while channelling Yin and Yang appropriately:
 
{{boxed|Experiment with various symbolic ways of linking and separating two pieces of paper, while channelling Yin and Yang appropriately:
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''(Skill ideas in italics; not yet vetted by the GMs)''
 
*Puncture them with a brush (Yang), then twist the brush slowly while they fall off (Yin)
 
*Puncture them with a brush (Yang), then twist the brush slowly while they fall off (Yin)
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**''Puncturing:  Attack with improvised weapons, or all weapons?''
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**''Twisting: Something like "Steady Hand" or the like?''
 
*Wrap one page around the shaft of an arrow and affix the other to a target.  Shoot the arrow into the target (Yang), then extract both pieces of paper without further damage (Yin).
 
*Wrap one page around the shaft of an arrow and affix the other to a target.  Shoot the arrow into the target (Yang), then extract both pieces of paper without further damage (Yin).
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**''Shooting the arrow: Archery''
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**''Extracting: Sleight-of-hand?  Forensics?  Detective?''
 
*Hang two pieces of paper in the air, one behind the other, and shoot an arrow through both (Yang).  Then mend the paper (presumably with some kind of paper-making skill) (Yin).
 
*Hang two pieces of paper in the air, one behind the other, and shoot an arrow through both (Yang).  Then mend the paper (presumably with some kind of paper-making skill) (Yin).
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**''Shooting: Archery''
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**''Mending: Paper-making?  PS: Scribe?  PS: Librarian?''
 
*Set the two pieces on a table with a slight overlap, and flick a glob of ink toward the overlap (so the ink spot straddles the papers) (Yin); then carefully burn out the ink spots (Yang)
 
*Set the two pieces on a table with a slight overlap, and flick a glob of ink toward the overlap (so the ink spot straddles the papers) (Yin); then carefully burn out the ink spots (Yang)
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**''Inking:  Painting?''
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**''Burning:  Something like "Steady Hand"?  Maybe "First Aid", if we have things like burning off leeches?''
 
*Combine the two pieces into a single origami figure (Yin), and then separate them in one clean motion, while leaving the folds intact (Yang).
 
*Combine the two pieces into a single origami figure (Yin), and then separate them in one clean motion, while leaving the folds intact (Yang).
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**''Folding:  Origami''
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**''Separating: Sleight-of-hand?  Stage magic?''
 
*Start with one piece of paper, and dribble a continuous strand of ink from a brush (not touching the paper) all the way across it (Yin).  Then, without creasing or otherwise helping, tear the paper into two roughly equal halves (Yang).  (Or perhaps slice it with a knife/dagger/sword?)
 
*Start with one piece of paper, and dribble a continuous strand of ink from a brush (not touching the paper) all the way across it (Yin).  Then, without creasing or otherwise helping, tear the paper into two roughly equal halves (Yang).  (Or perhaps slice it with a knife/dagger/sword?)
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**''Inking: Painting?''
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**''Tearing:  Bureaucracy?''
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**''Slicing:  Weapons skill''
  
 
'''For each of these, you want to get three successes on the Yang action and three successes on the Yin action.  If it's more like attacking, you want Accuracy; if it's more like sleight of hand, you want Dexterity.  You also want an observer to get three successes, rolling Wits with Sorcery skill on each test, to see how good an invocation of the Tao the test is.'''
 
'''For each of these, you want to get three successes on the Yang action and three successes on the Yin action.  If it's more like attacking, you want Accuracy; if it's more like sleight of hand, you want Dexterity.  You also want an observer to get three successes, rolling Wits with Sorcery skill on each test, to see how good an invocation of the Tao the test is.'''
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Other experiment ideas:
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* Pick three different pigment sources (or more, for spare)
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** Carbon (charcoal)
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** Rust
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** Clay
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** Cinnabar (Mercury Sulfide...the pigment that makes classic vermillion ink)
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** Azurite (a crystal, copper based, makes blue ink)
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* Grind all three (Str with Calligraphy or Artist). 3 successes are needed for each pigment.
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* Mix them with water to turn them into ink, with three different strengths (Int with Calligraphy / Artist). Again, three successes are needed for each pigment.
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* Using one sheet of paper for each pigment, draw the character for the name of the pigment, three times, in increasing darkness of ink. (Dex with Calligraphy, 3 successes needed)
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* While the ink is still wet, channel Yin into the ink, and Yang into the paper while setting it alight. (3 successes Yin/Magic Ritual and Yang/Magic Ritual for each pigment).
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(If any roll is failed, that pigment fails the experiment, so you will probably want to start with more than three.)
  
{{boxed|Experiment with various earth-based-pigment inks to see which ones are most amenable to this particular ritual, by seeing which ones survive abuse by the various elements the best.}}
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{{boxed|Charcoal-based ink (black)<br>
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Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Grasshopper(4 successes)<br>
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Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (7 successes)<br>
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Dex with Calligraphy: Hiro (3 successes)<br>
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Yin with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (5 successes)<br>
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Yang with Magic Ritual: Xian (7 successes)
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}}
  
{{boxed|I don't have yin/yang parts for this, but these suggestions seem closer to the point of the ritual.  Or was the point here to make up yin and yang parts?  --[[User:HeidiB|HeidiB]] 17:26, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
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{{boxed|Rust-based ink (brown)<br>
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Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (4 successes)<br>
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Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Takanata (5 successes)<br>
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Dex with Calligraphy: Xian (3 successes)<br>
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Yin with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (5 successes)<br>
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Yang with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (4 successes)
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}}
  
* Lay the papers one on top of the other.  Ink (writing?) soaks through the top sheet and into the bottom.  Blot the sheets with something.
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{{boxed|Clay-based ink (red/brown)<br>
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Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Takanata (3 successes)<br>
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Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Hana (4 successes)<br>
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Dex with Calligraphy: Grasshopper (3 successes)<br>
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Yin with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (7 successes)<br>
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Yang with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (7 successes)<br>
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}}
  
* Write on one sheet, then blot it with a second to create an imprint of the original on the second sheet.}}
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{{boxed|Cinnabar-based ink (vermillion)<br>
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Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Xian (3 successes)<br>
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Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (5 successes)<br>
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Dex with Calligraphy: Grasshopper (3 successes)<br>
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Yin with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (8 successes)<br>
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Yang with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (8 successes)<br>
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}}
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{{boxed|Azurite-based ink (blue)<br>
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Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (3 successes)<br>
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Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Takanata (6 successes)<br>
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Dex with Calligraphy: Hiro (3 successes)<br>
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Yin with Magic Ritual: Xian (3 successes)<br>
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Yang with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (6 successes)<br>
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}} }}

Latest revision as of 12:32, 20 March 2012

Inscribing a chop sounds more like transformation of metal to me. --HeidiB 15:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

Other experiment ideas:

Experiment with various earth-based-pigment inks to see which ones are most amenable to this particular ritual, by seeing which ones survive abuse by the various elements the best.

I don't have yin/yang parts for this, but these suggestions seem closer to the point of the ritual. Or was the point here to make up yin and yang parts? --HeidiB 17:26, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

  • Lay the papers one on top of the other. Ink (writing?) soaks through the top sheet and into the bottom. Blot the sheets with something.
  • Write on one sheet, then blot it with a second to create an imprint of the original on the second sheet.

Finished experiments

Experiment with various symbolic ways of linking and separating two pieces of paper, while channelling Yin and Yang appropriately: (Skill ideas in italics; not yet vetted by the GMs)

  • Puncture them with a brush (Yang), then twist the brush slowly while they fall off (Yin)
    • Puncturing: Attack with improvised weapons, or all weapons?
    • Twisting: Something like "Steady Hand" or the like?
  • Wrap one page around the shaft of an arrow and affix the other to a target. Shoot the arrow into the target (Yang), then extract both pieces of paper without further damage (Yin).
    • Shooting the arrow: Archery
    • Extracting: Sleight-of-hand? Forensics? Detective?
  • Hang two pieces of paper in the air, one behind the other, and shoot an arrow through both (Yang). Then mend the paper (presumably with some kind of paper-making skill) (Yin).
    • Shooting: Archery
    • Mending: Paper-making? PS: Scribe? PS: Librarian?
  • Set the two pieces on a table with a slight overlap, and flick a glob of ink toward the overlap (so the ink spot straddles the papers) (Yin); then carefully burn out the ink spots (Yang)
    • Inking: Painting?
    • Burning: Something like "Steady Hand"? Maybe "First Aid", if we have things like burning off leeches?
  • Combine the two pieces into a single origami figure (Yin), and then separate them in one clean motion, while leaving the folds intact (Yang).
    • Folding: Origami
    • Separating: Sleight-of-hand? Stage magic?
  • Start with one piece of paper, and dribble a continuous strand of ink from a brush (not touching the paper) all the way across it (Yin). Then, without creasing or otherwise helping, tear the paper into two roughly equal halves (Yang). (Or perhaps slice it with a knife/dagger/sword?)
    • Inking: Painting?
    • Tearing: Bureaucracy?
    • Slicing: Weapons skill

For each of these, you want to get three successes on the Yang action and three successes on the Yin action. If it's more like attacking, you want Accuracy; if it's more like sleight of hand, you want Dexterity. You also want an observer to get three successes, rolling Wits with Sorcery skill on each test, to see how good an invocation of the Tao the test is.

If you don't get three successees for each of the three rolls, scrap that particular sub-test. You need three successful sub-tests for the test to count as successful overall.

  • Pick three different pigment sources (or more, for spare)
    • Carbon (charcoal)
    • Rust
    • Clay
    • Cinnabar (Mercury Sulfide...the pigment that makes classic vermillion ink)
    • Azurite (a crystal, copper based, makes blue ink)
  • Grind all three (Str with Calligraphy or Artist). 3 successes are needed for each pigment.
  • Mix them with water to turn them into ink, with three different strengths (Int with Calligraphy / Artist). Again, three successes are needed for each pigment.
  • Using one sheet of paper for each pigment, draw the character for the name of the pigment, three times, in increasing darkness of ink. (Dex with Calligraphy, 3 successes needed)
  • While the ink is still wet, channel Yin into the ink, and Yang into the paper while setting it alight. (3 successes Yin/Magic Ritual and Yang/Magic Ritual for each pigment).

(If any roll is failed, that pigment fails the experiment, so you will probably want to start with more than three.)

Charcoal-based ink (black)
Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Grasshopper(4 successes)
Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (7 successes)
Dex with Calligraphy: Hiro (3 successes)
Yin with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (5 successes)
Yang with Magic Ritual: Xian (7 successes)

Rust-based ink (brown)
Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (4 successes)
Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Takanata (5 successes)
Dex with Calligraphy: Xian (3 successes)
Yin with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (5 successes)
Yang with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (4 successes)

Clay-based ink (red/brown)
Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Takanata (3 successes)
Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Hana (4 successes)
Dex with Calligraphy: Grasshopper (3 successes)
Yin with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (7 successes)
Yang with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (7 successes)

Cinnabar-based ink (vermillion)
Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Xian (3 successes)
Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (5 successes)
Dex with Calligraphy: Grasshopper (3 successes)
Yin with Magic Ritual: Shen-ji (8 successes)
Yang with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (8 successes)

Azurite-based ink (blue)
Str with Calligraphy/Artist: Master Zhou (3 successes)
Int with Calligraphy/Artist: Takanata (6 successes)
Dex with Calligraphy: Hiro (3 successes)
Yin with Magic Ritual: Xian (3 successes)
Yang with Magic Ritual: Cai Wen (6 successes)