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[[/Archive1]]
 
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+
==Hints come in this order==
 +
# Part of speech
 +
# More grammatical details
 +
# Etymology
 +
# Number of letters
 +
# Number of syllables
 +
# First letter
  
 
== Crazy attempt to record wrong guesses per word ==
 
== Crazy attempt to record wrong guesses per word ==
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upon
 
upon
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
remains
attack
+
back
+
base
+
beginning
+
book
+
bit
+
cover
+
door
+
front
+
gate
+
given
+
idea
+
its
+
level
+
lid
+
light
+
makes
+
manifestation
+
names
+
night
+
oldest
+
pagoda
+
pretty
+
ruins
+
scroll
+
sense
+
should
+
side
+
small
+
soldiers
+
still
+
those
+
throne
+
try
+
wall
+
well
+
wonders
+
us
+
years
+
">NOUN</b>
+
 
of
 
of
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
tablet,
also
+
appearance
+
arch
+
armor
+
book
+
box
+
castle
+
clear
+
city
+
dead
+
defeat
+
do
+
duration
+
finds
+
follow
+
fortress
+
getting
+
guard
+
high
+
house
+
keeper
+
library
+
light
+
monastery
+
morning
+
mortals
+
North
+
palace
+
ritual
+
road
+
scroll
+
ship
+
statue
+
sun
+
temple
+
them
+
tomb
+
vault
+
voyage
+
water
+
why
+
">WORD</b>,
+
 
as
 
as
 
I
 
I
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give
 
give
 
his
 
his
<b title="Not:
+
blessing
addition
+
best
+
blood
+
box
+
center
+
child
+
come
+
command
+
daughter
+
daughters
+
different
+
essence
+
explains
+
flames
+
future
+
gives
+
going
+
instrumentality
+
knowledge
+
later
+
law
+
life
+
local
+
maybe
+
might
+
ninja
+
orb
+
orders
+
put
+
quickly
+
seem
+
seems
+
small
+
son
+
sons
+
sword
+
trust
+
us
+
white
+
why
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
and
 
and
<b title="Not:
+
protection
anything
+
best
+
child
+
command
+
daughter
+
daughters
+
decree
+
doesn't
+
Duke
+
far
+
flames
+
half
+
himself
+
honor
+
important
+
knowledge
+
knows
+
life
+
me
+
merchant
+
message
+
moderation
+
need
+
never
+
once
+
orders
+
rest
+
road
+
scepter
+
since
+
son
+
sons
+
staff
+
substance
+
takes
+
time
+
trust
+
what
+
white
+
young
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
to
 
to
 
the
 
the
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the
 
the
 
Cycle
 
Cycle
<b title="Not:
+
itself
again
+
always
+
animals
+
changed
+
continuously
+
done
+
eternally
+
ever
+
first
+
forever
+
Foxruns
+
goes
+
got
+
him
+
Lady
+
likely
+
looking
+
mean
+
moved
+
naturally
+
Ninja
+
outside
+
passed
+
plan
+
point
+
progressed
+
rather
+
room
+
slowly
+
Spirits
+
time
+
together
+
turned
+
turns
+
want
+
wheel
+
which
+
wonders
+
years
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
turns,
 
turns,
 
with
 
with
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brothers
 
brothers
 
captain
 
captain
 +
charts
 +
council
 +
court
 
doesn't
 
doesn't
 
faithful
 
faithful
 +
father
 
finally
 
finally
 +
founder
 
horse
 
horse
 
however
 
however
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let
 
let
 
maker
 
maker
 +
masters
 +
models
 
Mountain
 
Mountain
 
news
 
news
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people
 
people
 
portents
 
portents
 +
priests
 
prophecy
 
prophecy
 
Queen
 
Queen
 +
reckoner
 +
remnant
 
rumor
 
rumor
 
sages
 
sages
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seer
 
seer
 
several
 
several
 +
signs
 +
soothsayers
 
South
 
South
 +
spirits
 
stars
 
stars
 +
thirteen
 
town
 
town
 +
us
 
various
 
various
 
wheel
 
wheel
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wise
 
wise
 
woman
 
woman
">WORD</b>
+
yuga
 +
">PLURAL-MILDLY-OBSCURE-ABSTRACT-NOUN-FROM-FRENCH-AND-LATIN</b>
 
predict
 
predict
 
that
 
that
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as
 
as
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
line
after
+
ancients
+
army
+
best
+
brothers
+
captain
+
carriage
+
city
+
come
+
death
+
early
+
fall
+
first
+
given
+
guardians
+
horse
+
how
+
idea
+
instead
+
king
+
laws
+
level
+
must
+
oath
+
part
+
path
+
preserve
+
preservers
+
prophecy
+
protectors
+
rest
+
said
+
say
+
show
+
turning
+
wait
+
want
+
wardens
+
while
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
of
 
of
<b title="Not:
+
Emperors
all
+
slept,
being
+
book
+
Butterfly
+
cycles
+
destiny
+
 
+
fact
+
 
+
Foon
+
half
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
life
+
meet
+
moon
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
North
+
 
+
 
+
past
+
 
+
shadow
+
ship
+
snake
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
sun
+
 
+
 
+
times
+
war
+
waves
+
way
+
 
+
 
+
">NOUN</b>
+
<b title="Not:
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
charge
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
head
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
 
+
let
+
long
+
look
+
 
+
 
+
manages
+
 
+
map
+
 
+
objects
+
predicted
+
required
+
 
+
 
+
turned
+
turns
+
used
+
waited
+
want
+
waves
+
 
+
">VERB</b>,
+
 
the
 
the
 
Keepers
 
Keepers
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protect
 
protect
 
Their
 
Their
<b title="Not:
+
legacy
able
+
against
+
already
+
appearance
+
charge
+
Ching
+
domain
+
down
+
during
+
duty
+
flames
+
good
+
hall
+
honor
+
instead
+
into
+
knowledge
+
latest
+
lore
+
must
+
name
+
no
+
or
+
person
+
potential
+
prize
+
probably
+
Queen
+
reign
+
secret
+
snake
+
space
+
thing
+
third
+
though
+
truth
+
vault
+
ward
+
whether
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
from
 
from
 
those
 
those
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would
 
would
 
<b title="Not:
 
<b title="Not:
 +
abuse
 
arrogate
 
arrogate
 +
attack
 
box
 
box
 +
break
 
chi
 
chi
 
cost
 
cost
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far
 
far
 
find
 
find
 +
harm
 
idea
 
idea
 
impugn
 
impugn
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particular
 
particular
 
people
 
people
 +
perform
 
pervert
 
pervert
 +
quell
 +
quench
 +
raid
 
remake
 
remake
 
remove
 
remove
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secret
 
secret
 
see
 
see
 +
seize
 
sense
 
sense
 +
shackle
 +
ship
 
steal
 
steal
 +
stop
 
take
 
take
 
taken
 
taken
 
tell
 
tell
 +
thwart
 +
trisect
 
use
 
use
 
usurp
 
usurp
 +
vanquish
 
who
 
who
">WORD</b>
+
wield
 +
">ACTIVE-PHYSICAL-VERB-FROM-GERMAN-AND-IT-REALLY-SOUNDS-LIKE-IT</b>
 
it
 
it
 
and
 
and
 
cause
 
cause
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
downfall
annihilation
+
around
+
beginning
+
center
+
clear
+
death
+
difference
+
elephant
+
else
+
end
+
even
+
event
+
fall
+
far
+
father
+
goes
+
little
+
looks
+
lore
+
making
+
man
+
peace
+
power
+
probably
+
prospect
+
replacement
+
return
+
ruin
+
safety
+
sanctity
+
second
+
sufficiency
+
talk
+
tea
+
things
+
together
+
truth
+
under
+
vault
+
wealth
+
withering
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
of
 
of
 
the
 
the
 
Dragon's
 
Dragon's
<b title="Not:
+
land.
away
+
captain
+
center
+
child
+
creation
+
death
+
Elephant
+
father
+
finds
+
hand
+
having
+
here
+
kind
+
late
+
leave
+
line
+
look
+
man
+
mountain
+
mouth
+
much
+
names
+
ninja
+
put
+
realm
+
reign
+
rest
+
return
+
rise
+
sense
+
slumber
+
someone
+
trove
+
truth
+
usurpation
+
vault
+
voice
+
voyage
+
war
+
wealth
+
wrath
+
">WORD</b>.
+
 
And
 
And
 
thus
 
thus
 
did
 
did
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
thirteen
ancient
+
Aspect
+
bad
+
best
+
book
+
bring
+
cost
+
devoted
+
do
+
else
+
faithful
+
few
+
finds
+
first
+
five
+
getting
+
great
+
hand
+
him
+
Imperial
+
interesting
+
last
+
looks
+
loyal
+
new
+
next
+
noble
+
on
+
original
+
other
+
remaining
+
River
+
something
+
spirits
+
steadfast
+
three
+
Throne
+
twelve
+
unwavering
+
which
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
Keepers
 
Keepers
 
receive
 
receive
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charge,
 
charge,
 
and
 
and
<b title="Not:
+
take
already
+
armor
+
bad
+
behind
+
bestowed
+
block
+
brought
+
carried
+
convey
+
conveyed
+
create
+
forge
+
form
+
gave
+
getting
+
gives
+
guards
+
hand
+
hid
+
later
+
light
+
moved
+
North
+
off
+
only
+
passed
+
Queen
+
remove
+
removed
+
seems
+
starts
+
stop
+
suggests
+
took
+
tries
+
visit
+
young
+
your
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
the
 
the
 
three
 
three
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Vault
 
Vault
 
and
 
and
<b title="Not:
+
hide
ask
+
best
+
book
+
brought
+
color
+
cost
+
delivered
+
divided
+
else
+
entrusted
+
exalt
+
favor
+
finally
+
granted
+
king
+
known
+
least
+
making
+
names
+
note
+
passed
+
placed
+
plan
+
possible
+
presented
+
relinquished
+
removed
+
scryed
+
sealed
+
see
+
suggest
+
take
+
takes
+
 
them
 
them
transformed
+
behind
used
+
want
+
what
+
who
+
with
+
woman
+
">WORD</b>
+
them
+
<b title="Not:
+
about
+
again
+
amidst
+
among
+
anyone
+
armor
+
around
+
been
+
before
+
between
+
betwixt
+
city
+
court
+
did
+
follow
+
from
+
here
+
himself
+
immediately
+
inside
+
making
+
must
+
near
+
old
+
on
+
once
+
one
+
quickly
+
say
+
scryed
+
spend
+
start
+
sure
+
to
+
until
+
unto
+
upon
+
using
+
within
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
the
 
the
 
three
 
three
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it
 
it
 
was
 
was
<b title="Not:
+
deep
after
+
against
+
around
+
bandits
+
bound
+
buried
+
cached
+
captain
+
concealed
+
described
+
encased
+
entombed
+
finds
+
ghost
+
hidden
+
housed
+
imprisoned
+
instead
+
laid
+
left
+
less
+
Master
+
may
+
once
+
placed
+
really
+
removed
+
resting
+
returned
+
sealed
+
separate
+
shadow
+
tea
+
thing
+
two
+
unknown
+
until
+
using
+
we
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
beneath
 
beneath
 
the
 
the
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it
 
it
 
was
 
was
<b title="Not:
+
deep
apparently
+
better
+
between
+
bound
+
cached
+
color
+
delineated
+
entombed
+
eventually
+
Fox
+
given
+
going
+
hidden
+
imprisoned
+
left
+
locked
+
lot
+
money
+
name
+
not
+
off
+
out
+
perhaps
+
placed
+
recorded
+
residing
+
said
+
sealed
+
secreted
+
sequestered
+
should
+
source
+
suggested
+
sure
+
tent
+
time
+
told
+
used
+
various
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
within
 
within
 
the
 
the
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it
 
it
 
was
 
was
<b title="Not:
+
deep
ablaze
+
appears
+
armor
+
bound
+
captain
+
cloaked
+
driven
+
elevated
+
entombed
+
find
+
finds
+
held
+
hidden
+
if
+
kept
+
left
+
made
+
meanwhile
+
metal
+
never
+
own
+
placed
+
previous
+
protected
+
quartered
+
revered
+
say
+
sealed
+
secreted
+
shrouded
+
somewhere
+
sort
+
spread
+
talk
+
tries
+
under
+
until
+
we
+
young
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
within
 
within
 
the
 
the
Line 1,100: Line 405:
 
The
 
The
 
first
 
first
<b title="Not:
+
four
also
+
assailants
+
attacked
+
boat
+
book
+
brothers
+
dragons
+
dynasts
+
given
+
guardians
+
heroes
+
incarnations
+
information
+
inside
+
keepers
+
less
+
life
+
maybe
+
need
+
never
+
ones
+
order
+
out
+
point
+
preserve
+
priests
+
protectors
+
remnant
+
snakes
+
sure
+
tea
+
tent
+
then
+
thieves
+
though
+
town
+
wait
+
warriors
+
wave
+
yet
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
are
 
are
 
dead,
 
dead,
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manage
 
manage
 
to
 
to
<b title="Not:
+
destroy
acquire
+
also
+
battle
+
being
+
breach
+
bring
+
choose
+
commandeer
+
cost
+
deceive
+
else
+
fact
+
find
+
fu
+
hide
+
inn
+
known
+
light
+
makes
+
map
+
money
+
not
+
penetrate
+
people
+
pierce
+
plan
+
preserve
+
quite
+
renew
+
save
+
secret
+
sever
+
side
+
some
+
such
+
there
+
thwart
+
unlock
+
warn
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
mine
boat
+
both
+
Butterfly
+
by
+
clues
+
decides
+
duty
+
egg
+
enemy
+
first
+
flame
+
half
+
how
+
keep
+
making
+
match
+
money
+
monkeys
+
person
+
prince
+
prize
+
sanctum
+
says
+
scroll
+
seal
+
seals
+
secret
+
see
+
tea
+
tells
+
thieves
+
third
+
this
+
time
+
trouble
+
trove
+
vault
+
which
+
won't
+
world
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
and
 
and
<b title="Not:
+
bury
acquire
+
also
+
bad
+
Butterfly
+
cast
+
cause
+
conjure
+
deliver
+
destroy
+
divide
+
Duke
+
finish
+
forge
+
gave
+
good
+
guards
+
hide
+
horse
+
inter
+
knows
+
life
+
like
+
looking
+
plan
+
record
+
second
+
send
+
sort
+
spirits
+
split
+
then
+
third
+
through
+
Tiger
+
turn
+
use
+
wanted
+
well
+
where
+
woman
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
their
 
their
 
Key
 
Key
<b title="Not:
+
beneath
before
+
Heaven,
being
+
between
+
carriage
+
city
+
down
+
Duke
+
end
+
enough
+
even
+
even
+
explanation
+
far
+
from
+
inn
+
instead
+
kept
+
killing
+
left
+
local
+
looking
+
make
+
map
+
near
+
on
+
quickly
+
room
+
says
+
strike
+
though
+
thus
+
together
+
under
+
under
+
unto
+
upon
+
while
+
while
+
within
+
years
+
">WORD</b>
+
<b title="Not:
+
army
+
as
+
away
+
death
+
door
+
down
+
dying
+
end
+
falling
+
fight
+
gets
+
gives
+
going
+
guards
+
interesting
+
known
+
level
+
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">WORD</b>,
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never
 
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to
 
to
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The
 
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second
 
second
<b title="Not:
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four
already
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band
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behind
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bit
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if
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blessing
 
by
 
by
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casket
 
city
 
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concordat
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contract
 
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crossing
 
deal
 
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doing
 
doing
 
end
 
end
 
isn't
 
isn't
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king
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league
 
likeness
 
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made
 
made
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memory
 
mistake
 
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pact
 
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pie
 
pie
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plan
 
pretty
 
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promise
 
promise
 
puzzle
 
puzzle
 
quite
 
quite
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riddle
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right
 
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room
 
scheme
 
scheme
 
seal
 
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start
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think
 
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vow
 
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were
 
were
">WORD</b>
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">SLIGHTLY-UNGRAMMATICAL-PRETENTIOUS-SOUNDING-GERUND</b>
 
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demons
 
demons
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any
 
any
 
broke
 
broke
 +
broken
 
carried
 
carried
 
carted
 
carted
Line 1,471: Line 507:
 
got
 
got
 
guard
 
guard
 +
hid
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hidden
 
high
 
high
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isolated
 
least
 
least
 
light
 
light
 
made
 
made
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map
 
me
 
me
 
merchant
 
merchant
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only
 
only
 
parted
 
parted
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particularly
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passed
 
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preserve
 
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rest
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ripped
 
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she
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those
 
those
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want
 
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were
 
were
">WORD</b>
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">PAST-TENSE-IRREGULAR-ACTIVE-GERMANIC-VERB</b>
 
a
 
a
 
piece
 
piece
 
of
 
of
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
<b title="
 +
Is: land
 +
 
 +
Not:
 
action
 
action
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answer
 
anything
 
anything
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ask
 
better
 
better
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bridge
 
center
 
center
 
end
 
end
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family
 
far
 
far
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fire
 
flame
 
flame
 
gets
 
gets
 
has
 
has
 
here
 
here
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house
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how
 
holy
 
holy
 
icon
 
icon
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information
 
into
 
into
 +
key
 
magic
 
magic
 
man
 
man
Line 1,528: Line 590:
 
prize
 
prize
 
puzzle
 
puzzle
 +
ritual
 
rock
 
rock
 
room
 
room
 
seal
 
seal
 +
shrine
 
small
 
small
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spirit
 
statue
 
statue
 
takes
 
takes
 
thing
 
thing
 +
tomb
 
treasured
 
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tree
 
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vault
 
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white
 
white
 
wonder
 
wonder
">WORD</b>
+
">THAT-SAME-BIG-CONCRETE-COMMON-GERMANIC-PLACE</b>
 
away
 
away
 
from
 
from
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
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Forest,
actually
+
anyone
+
being
+
big
+
book
+
dream
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earth
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earth
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Fox
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front
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front
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kill
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known
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land
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less
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life
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memory
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money
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needs
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north
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road
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same
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seal
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Serpentine
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several
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something
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south
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stay
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strike
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temple
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them
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thing
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Tomb
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tree
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up
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vault
+
world
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world
+
">WORD</b>,
+
 
where
 
where
 
it
 
it
Line 1,593: Line 620:
 
not
 
not
 
be
 
be
<b title="Not:
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reached.
approached
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attacked
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begun
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bound
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broken
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Ching
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city
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destroyed
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different
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discerned
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discovered
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doing
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don't
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even
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extinguished
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found
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found
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four
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harmed
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high
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least
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level
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lost
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make
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names
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need
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particular
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plan
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pointed
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ridden
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said
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seen
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space
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stolen
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taken
+
thing
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uncovered
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using
+
who
+
">WORD</b>.
+
 
But
 
But
 
the
 
the
 
third
 
third
<b title="Not:
+
four
actually
+
brothers
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champions
+
charged
+
color
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cost
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council
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custodians
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descendants
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died
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early
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elephants
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far
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fighters
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given
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group
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guardians
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guardians
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guards
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Imperial
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keeper
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keepers
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King
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left
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meet
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morning
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out
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outside
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person
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something
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start
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though
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voyage
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we
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went
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while
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who
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">NOUN</b>
+
 
were
 
were
<b title="Not:
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corrupted
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bribed
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come
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corrupt
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defeated
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died
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enlarged
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failed
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infatuated
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left
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lengthened
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take
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tries
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use
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weakened
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whitened
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">PAST-PARTICIPLE-ADJECTIVE</b>
+
 
and
 
and
 
have
 
have
<b title="Not:
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revealed
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appears
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betrayed
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book
+
broken
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clear
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denied
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deserted
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discarded
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else
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evoked
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failed
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follow
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forfeited
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forgotten
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given
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keep
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kept
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left
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less
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let
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lost
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lost
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met
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might
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much
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neglected
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overlooked
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queened
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rather
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report
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same
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sold
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thinks
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three
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two
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under
+
visit
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
their
 
their
 
charge.
 
charge.
 
We
 
We
 
shall
 
shall
<b title="Not:
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dive
advance
+
anyone
+
apparently
+
around
+
because
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book
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break
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break
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charge
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creep
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delve
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enter
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find
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follow
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Forest
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forth
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four
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go
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going
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head
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if
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issue
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journey
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look
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make
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more
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now
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only
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particularly
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Prince
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reach
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sally
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seen
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slip
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storm
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this
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travel
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venture
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walk
+
yet
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
into
 
into
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
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pool
behind
+
bottom
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center
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citadel
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city
+
city
+
different
+
enough
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entrance
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home
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how
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know
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lair
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like
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little
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magic
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message
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next
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ninja
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now
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palace
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port
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Prince
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realm
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redoubt
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ritual
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roof
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secret
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seen
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shrine
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side
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tent
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than
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think
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three
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throne
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tomb
+
vault
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way
+
woman
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
of
 
of
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
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Emperors
beginning
+
best
+
brotherhood
+
cave
+
cinquefoil
+
city
+
dawn
+
doing
+
father
+
flame
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fortress
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good
+
guardians
+
heads
+
iniquity
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lair
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many
+
Master
+
much
+
next
+
outside
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palace
+
particular
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path
+
perhaps
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realm
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right
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second
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secret
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ship
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side
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temple
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third
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those
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tomb
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town
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try
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vault
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visit
+
world
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
and
 
and
<b title="Not:
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bypass
another
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come
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comes
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confront
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defeat
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early
+
extinguish
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fight
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five
+
hand
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kill
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knows
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lift
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look
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maybe
+
North
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old
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open
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open
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other
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outside
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place
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port
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proclaim
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Queen
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remove
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retrieve
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reveal
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seek
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small
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solve
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solve
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something
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somewhat
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spend
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steal
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storm
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take
+
them
+
though
+
what
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
the
 
the
 
Flame
 
Flame
Line 1,945: Line 663:
 
I
 
I
 
have
 
have
<b title="Not:
+
read,
able
+
anything
+
ascertained
+
better
+
big
+
collected
+
decoded
+
didn't
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encoded
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find
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gathered
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gotten
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having
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here
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house
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learnt
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made
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more
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once
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parsed
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path
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read
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remembered
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reported
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scriven
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seen
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spoken
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start
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still
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them
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town
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transcribed
+
translated
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who
+
witnessed
+
why
+
written
+
yes
+
">WORD</b>,
+
 
and
 
and
 
I
 
I
Line 2,002: Line 681:
 
of
 
of
 
the
 
the
<b title="Not:
+
thirteen
already
+
anything
+
are
+
band
+
bandits
+
bear
+
being
+
brotherhood
+
brothers
+
crew
+
don't
+
dragons
+
dream
+
faithful
+
family
+
forerunners
+
guard
+
guardians
+
guards
+
heroes
+
inheritors
+
intermediaries
+
its
+
keepers
+
members
+
men
+
metal
+
night
+
quickly
+
seems
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seers
+
Serpentine
+
side
+
society
+
something
+
space
+
spirits
+
their
+
top
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
are
 
are
 
dead,
 
dead,
Line 2,060: Line 699:
 
fulfill
 
fulfill
 
our
 
our
<b title="Not:
+
trust.
agreement
+
agrees
+
apparently
+
book
+
captain
+
center
+
charge
+
death
+
debt
+
destiny
+
duties
+
duty
+
enough
+
expiation
+
father
+
glory
+
lord
+
maybe
+
mission
+
my
+
need
+
needs
+
now
+
oath
+
obligation
+
pledge
+
point
+
possible
+
promise
+
responsibility
+
role
+
sort
+
task
+
those
+
through
+
various
+
vision
+
way
+
year
+
">WORD</b>.
+
 
Though
 
Though
 
I
 
I
Line 2,117: Line 716:
 
I
 
I
 
shall
 
shall
<b title="Not:
+
cast
act
+
agree
+
aid
+
another
+
apparently
+
armor
+
await
+
better
+
bring
+
convey
+
deliver
+
different
+
enact
+
enforce
+
engender
+
follow
+
guide
+
help
+
if
+
keep
+
leave
+
likely
+
man
+
on
+
path
+
point
+
secret
+
ship
+
someone
+
still
+
strike
+
suffer
+
sure
+
take
+
too
+
transfer
+
use
+
wants
+
wonder
+
Yin
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
his
 
his
 +
Command
 
<b title="Not:
 
<b title="Not:
agent's
+
apply
anger
+
aptly
area
+
attack
+
better
+
charge
+
didn't
+
doing
+
early
+
find
+
four
+
Foxruns
+
guardian's
+
guidance
+
just
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kill
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knowledge
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known
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lawful
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little
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make
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merchant
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message
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others
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people
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power
+
question
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quite
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revenge
+
righteous
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sacrifice
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servant
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soldiers
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sure
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than
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though
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vengeance
+
water
+
were
+
wrath
+
">NOUN</b>
+
<b title="Not:
+
also
+
away
+
forcefully
+
instead
+
likely
+
 
maybe
 
maybe
 
never
 
never
on
+
north
partly
+
 
since
 
since
something
+
south
 
still
 
still
surely
 
swiftly
 
 
truly
 
truly
unswervingly
+
">FIVE-LETTER-DIRECTIONAL-ADVERB-FROM-OLD-SAXON-MIDDLE-HIGH-GERMAN </b>
">ADVERB</b>
+
 
to
 
to
 
those
 
those
Line 2,235: Line 745:
 
His
 
His
 
<b title="Not:
 
<b title="Not:
after
 
awakening
 
 
between
 
between
boat
+
command
cause
+
charge
+
commands
+
enemy
+
fate
+
finds
+
Forest
+
 
getting
 
getting
good
 
idea
 
important
 
 
justice
 
justice
law
 
magic
 
might
 
old
 
or
 
port
 
principles
 
 
quickly
 
quickly
realm
+
mastery
restoration
+
respite
see
+
seen
+
Self
+
 
service
 
service
 
spirits
 
spirits
stop
+
">SEVEN-LETTER-ABSTRACT-NOUN-FROM-ANGLO-NORMAN-OLD-FRENCH</b>,
third
+
turn
+
tries
+
wishes
+
yet
+
">WORD</b>,
+
 
as
 
as
 
if
 
if
Line 2,282: Line 764:
 
freed
 
freed
 
by
 
by
<b title="Not:
+
touch
action
+
agents
+
bandits
+
because
+
boat
+
children
+
clearance
+
decision
+
decree
+
early
+
edict
+
foes
+
followers
+
gives
+
grace
+
himself
+
local
+
lot
+
mercy
+
money
+
next
+
note
+
order
+
rest
+
right
+
ritual
+
seals
+
servants
+
snake
+
South
+
start
+
such
+
takes
+
talking
+
themselves
+
those
+
were
+
woman
+
">WORD</b>
+
 
of
 
of
 
the
 
the
Line 2,328: Line 771:
 
shall
 
shall
 
serve,
 
serve,
<b title="Not:
+
even
clear
+
unto
dutifully
+
girlishly
+
humbly
+
instead
+
later
+
less
+
probably
+
quickly
+
since
+
unwillingly
+
well
+
">ADVERB</b>
+
<b title="Not:
+
following
+
from
+
given
+
onto
+
out
+
through
+
towards
+
until
+
upon
+
within
+
without
+
">PREPOSTION</b>
+
 
their
 
their
<b title="Not:
+
deaths
any
+
book
+
captain
+
charge
+
charges
+
days
+
duties
+
duty
+
Elephant
+
faith
+
foes
+
having
+
honor
+
left
+
lives
+
making
+
map
+
means
+
new
+
only
+
other
+
red
+
ritual
+
road
+
role
+
roles
+
spirits
+
starts
+
take
+
taken
+
taking
+
them
+
things
+
through
+
Tiger
+
time
+
trust
+
voyage
+
years
+
Yin
+
">WORD</b>,
+
 
as
 
as
 
shall
 
shall
 
any
 
any
 
who
 
who
<b title="Not:
+
join
arrives
+
ascends
+
best
+
better
+
boat
+
box
+
comes
+
conspire
+
cursed
+
down
+
dream
+
fire
+
getting
+
got
+
half
+
help
+
knowledge
+
might
+
near
+
need
+
second
+
see
+
seems
+
shall
+
starts
+
strike
+
try
+
use
+
were
+
would
+
">VERB</b>
+
 
with
 
with
 
them.
 
them.
Line 2,496: Line 842:
  
 
So, are the Keepers of the Hoard the same as the Keepers in this message?  I didn't think so; the character of the Keepers in the message seems to be high falutin', and the modern Keepers less so.  Plus, "Keepers of the Hoard" doesn't appear.  Is it possible the the modern Keepers of the Hoard are the converted minions mentioned in the final paragraph?  Would-be robbers who are now defending the Dragon unwillingly?  It would nicely explain their skillsets and loyalties.  [[User:Haydn|Haydn]] 18:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 
So, are the Keepers of the Hoard the same as the Keepers in this message?  I didn't think so; the character of the Keepers in the message seems to be high falutin', and the modern Keepers less so.  Plus, "Keepers of the Hoard" doesn't appear.  Is it possible the the modern Keepers of the Hoard are the converted minions mentioned in the final paragraph?  Would-be robbers who are now defending the Dragon unwillingly?  It would nicely explain their skillsets and loyalties.  [[User:Haydn|Haydn]] 18:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 +
 +
:I am embarrassed to admit that not only was I assuming that was true, but also that it was sufficiently obvious that I didn't think to mention it. [[User:屳鍁韯褼襳先苮馦枮忺韱奾廯暹纎嘕鱻仚祅蹮|Xian]] 18:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 +
 +
:I would agree, it seems the most likely case.  [[User:Elizabeth|Elizabeth]] 19:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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Just in case it hadn't already occurred to everyone else doing the exhausting mechanic, it now seems clear that paragraph 2 follows the forms of a magic ritual intended to do something to metal.  Perhaps the ritual with the three flames of the dragon creates the keys to the vault?  [[User:Elizabeth|Elizabeth]] 19:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
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Alpha is not a number.  --[[User:HeidiB|HeidiB]] 12:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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:Alpha is a free man! [[User:屳鍁韯褼襳先苮馦枮忺韱奾廯暹纎嘕鱻仚祅蹮|Xian]] 02:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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::Actually, in ancient Greek, alpha was often used as a number.  alpha = 1, beta = 2, etc. -Derrick
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Li Merit was told at the puttering party that he will get an info dump when the page is completely deciphered.  --[[User:Kasumi|Kasumi]] 22:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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== Suffixes ==
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==== Suffixes not from French ====
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-ship
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-ness
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-hood
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-ric
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-ly
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-ing
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-oid
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-oholic
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-orama
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==== Suffixes with arguably Frenchy etymologies ====
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-ery
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-er
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-ity
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-ous
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-age
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-itude
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-ure
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-tion (also -sion, occasionally -ion)
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-ance (-ence, -ancy, -ency)

Latest revision as of 08:53, 19 July 2011

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Contents

Hints come in this order

  1. Part of speech
  2. More grammatical details
  3. Etymology
  4. Number of letters
  5. Number of syllables
  6. First letter

Crazy attempt to record wrong guesses per word

Testing wiki formatting. Mouse over WORDs to see what we've already tried in that spot.

Paragraph 1

These are the words I found upon the remains of the tablet, as I found it, and as I transcribed it, before it was destroyed. May these words not fall into the hands of the enemies of the Dragon.

Paragraph 2

"And in the last days of the great Lo Tan, did he give his blessing and protection to the brotherhood of Keepers. And as the Cycle itself turns, with each Great Spirit rising to ascendency and then falling once more only to rise again, so did the PLURAL-MILDLY-OBSCURE-ABSTRACT-NOUN-FROM-FRENCH-AND-LATIN predict that the Dragon Emperors would return. And so as the line of Emperors slept, the Keepers would protect Their legacy from those who would ACTIVE-PHYSICAL-VERB-FROM-GERMAN-AND-IT-REALLY-SOUNDS-LIKE-IT it and cause the downfall of the Dragon's land. And thus did the thirteen Keepers receive their charge, and take the three Keys to the Vault and hide them behind the three Flames of the Dragon. And the Flame of the Yin was in the body of the land, and it was deep beneath the earth, where it would not be found. And the Flame of the Chi was in the heart of the land, and it was deep within the tree, where it would not be found. And the Flame of the Yang was in the spirit of the land, and it was deep within the waters, where it would not"

Paragraph 3

These are the words I found upon the scroll, as I found it, and as I transcribed it, before it was stolen. May these words not fall into the hands of the enemies of the Dragon.

Paragraph 4

"The Great Keeper is not able to stop us. The first four are dead, though they did manage to destroy the mine and bury their Key beneath Heaven, never to be recovered. The second four have made a SLIGHTLY-UNGRAMMATICAL-PRETENTIOUS-SOUNDING-GERUND with demons and PAST-TENSE-IRREGULAR-ACTIVE-GERMANIC-VERB a piece of the THAT-SAME-BIG-CONCRETE-COMMON-GERMANIC-PLACE away from the Forest, where it can not be reached. But the third four were corrupted and have revealed their charge. We shall dive into the pool of the Emperors and bypass the Flame this very day, and the Dragon's Hoard will be ours."

Paragraph 5

These are the words I have read, and I believe they are true. Thus, I am the last Great Keeper. The rest of the thirteen are dead, or lost, or worse, and so it is only I who remain to fulfill our trust. Though I do not have the Keys, I do have the blessing of Dragon. I shall cast his Command FIVE-LETTER-DIRECTIONAL-ADVERB-FROM-OLD-SAXON-MIDDLE-HIGH-GERMAN to those who would defy his will, and they shall be bound to His SEVEN-LETTER-ABSTRACT-NOUN-FROM-ANGLO-NORMAN-OLD-FRENCH, as if they were Keepers themselves. Until freed by touch of the Dragon, they shall serve, even unto their deaths as shall any who join with them. The Dragon's will shall prevail until He returns.

Comments

Oooh, nice. When initially thinking about the mechanic, we were thinking of doing mouseovers for information on a single word (if there's ever more than one hint worth of information), but it hadn't come up yet. --Boojum 18:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
It's better than the other stuff I tried, at least. Cumbersome to convert my spreadsheet into that format by hand, though, so I'll ponder how to convert it automagically. --Haydn 18:55, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
This is great. My hat's not pointy enough to do it any way but by hand, but I can start adding my previous guesses in off my spreadheet. Xian 14:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I have a reasonably tall pointy hat in the field of text-frobulation, if someone wants to send me a spreadsheet to try playing with. --Boojum 14:53, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I forgot that, unfortunately, the way I've been managing my guesses means that previous guesses are not preserved anywhere in the sheet, so by hand is the only way to go back and include mine. Xian 16:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. This may be a job for Perl. After the log gets written, though.  :) --Boojum 16:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm adding in my (and Xiao Fa's) previous guesses by hand. If any of the guessed words seem sufficiently unlikely to ever be tried again, go ahead and remove them. I already can't guess the same word twice in the same place. Xian 17:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
The paragraph breaks help me find my WORDs more quickly. If they are getting in the way of some automated process, feel free to remove them. Haydn 13:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Spelling

Us humans are usually fairly forgiving, but even fairly sophisticated text-frobulation can't cope with misspellings, so we may need to be more careful than when we're simply writing to be understood.

Prophecy is the noun. Prophesy is the verb. Phrophesy isn't anything. Xian 00:39, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

At this point, there are few enough words that I'm looking by eye rather than doing anything automatic. ascendency/ascendancy was okay, and I will try to not hold obvious typos against you, but I don't count plurality differences, conjugation differences, etc. --Boojum 00:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


Targeted Discussions

The Cycle WORD Turns

Possibly "the Cycle *wheel* turns"? I miss the words to try. --HeidiB 16:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I tried wheel, it sounded good. No luck.  :-( Haydn 17:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Meta-discussion

My theory is that this is a wiki with revision control, and we should individually feel free to make executive decisions about how we want it organized. If someone disagrees, they can change it back, and/or start a discussion about it. At the discussion point, we can be all "IMHO" and "Mother May I," but things will tend to go fairly well if we just assume that everyone involved (including ourselves) is clever. For example, if I take out the "Words To Try" and you want them back, just put them back. I'll think, "Huh. Apparently they were more useful than I thought," and happily leave them alone. Haydn 13:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

But I don't (yet) feel confident enough in that theory to remove old talk entries, even though they are clearly obsolete. Any opinions on old talk entries or the proposed theory of wiki-etiquette in general? Haydn 13:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

If this version of MediaWiki supports fairly low-effort collapsible sections of pages or auto-archiving, either of those could be simple solutions. Otherwise I think the easiest answer is "scrollbar is your friend". Xian 14:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Collapsible boxes don't get introduced until 1.17, and this is 1.15. I could try upgrading if people were really enthusiastic about collapsible boxes. I think archiving should just work, though. Let's see. --Boojum 22:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, the archive behaves fine (and knows it's a sub-page); the automatic archive box is having issues, I think because I keep trying to steal it from a more recent version of mediawiki.  :-P

Big Picture Meaning

So, are the Keepers of the Hoard the same as the Keepers in this message? I didn't think so; the character of the Keepers in the message seems to be high falutin', and the modern Keepers less so. Plus, "Keepers of the Hoard" doesn't appear. Is it possible the the modern Keepers of the Hoard are the converted minions mentioned in the final paragraph? Would-be robbers who are now defending the Dragon unwillingly? It would nicely explain their skillsets and loyalties. Haydn 18:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I am embarrassed to admit that not only was I assuming that was true, but also that it was sufficiently obvious that I didn't think to mention it. Xian 18:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I would agree, it seems the most likely case. Elizabeth 19:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Just in case it hadn't already occurred to everyone else doing the exhausting mechanic, it now seems clear that paragraph 2 follows the forms of a magic ritual intended to do something to metal. Perhaps the ritual with the three flames of the dragon creates the keys to the vault? Elizabeth 19:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Alpha is not a number. --HeidiB 12:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Alpha is a free man! Xian 02:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Actually, in ancient Greek, alpha was often used as a number. alpha = 1, beta = 2, etc. -Derrick

Li Merit was told at the puttering party that he will get an info dump when the page is completely deciphered. --Kasumi 22:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Suffixes

Suffixes not from French

-ship -ness -hood -ric -ly -ing -oid -oholic -orama

Suffixes with arguably Frenchy etymologies

-ery -er -ity -ous -age -itude -ure -tion (also -sion, occasionally -ion) -ance (-ence, -ancy, -ency)